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		<title>By: Nigel Malone</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8850</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what Chris is on but I&#039;d like to get my hands on it.... Meanwhile James in response to your question, just got a tweet from Lance Armstrong that refers to the success of charities in social media...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/05/AR2009070502401.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what Chris is on but I&#8217;d like to get my hands on it&#8230;. Meanwhile James in response to your question, just got a tweet from Lance Armstrong that refers to the success of charities in social media&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/05/AR2009070502401.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/05/AR2009070502401.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Horton</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8523</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to get all esoteric on you - this debate is reminiscint of a Charles Dickens novel bemoaning the decline of the agrarian revolution and onset of the industrial and the perceived consequential loss of employment.  There&#039;s marathon sentence Charlie would have been proud of.  As one declines another rises to fillthe void....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to get all esoteric on you &#8211; this debate is reminiscint of a Charles Dickens novel bemoaning the decline of the agrarian revolution and onset of the industrial and the perceived consequential loss of employment.  There&#8217;s marathon sentence Charlie would have been proud of.  As one declines another rises to fillthe void&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Tuckerman</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8503</link>
		<dc:creator>James Tuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog post came out of a discussion I&#039;d been having with Nigel on our LinkedIn Group page (Oooh... the irony). It&#039;s a complex one - can corporates use social networking tools for commercial gain?

Part of me finds the idea abhorrent. (Have you ever seen the number of tools online that promise 30,000 Twitter followers in 30 days?) 

But, at the same time, we use social networking tools quite effectively to promote our brand and drive traffic to our site. (Click on any of the social networking icons top-right to join a group or one of the icons at the foot of the article to link/share this story.)

We&#039;ve also found that the number of people deciding to &#039;follow&#039; Anthill - through any of these mechanisms and RSS feeds - has rapidly increased over the last six months.

The difference is, we&#039;re in the business of information. We&#039;re not selling washing powder or pepsi-cola. 

Also, we have enough &#039;information&#039; coming back at us to correct ourselves, should we misinterpret social media mores, and we are nimble (read &#039;small&#039;) enough to learn from our mistakes (and successes).

What I&#039;d like to know is whether any big-brand corporates have run any media campaigns with social networking at the core and whether they have been successful - real case studies for brands like Kit Kat to BHP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog post came out of a discussion I&#8217;d been having with Nigel on our LinkedIn Group page (Oooh&#8230; the irony). It&#8217;s a complex one &#8211; can corporates use social networking tools for commercial gain?</p>
<p>Part of me finds the idea abhorrent. (Have you ever seen the number of tools online that promise 30,000 Twitter followers in 30 days?) </p>
<p>But, at the same time, we use social networking tools quite effectively to promote our brand and drive traffic to our site. (Click on any of the social networking icons top-right to join a group or one of the icons at the foot of the article to link/share this story.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also found that the number of people deciding to &#8216;follow&#8217; Anthill &#8211; through any of these mechanisms and RSS feeds &#8211; has rapidly increased over the last six months.</p>
<p>The difference is, we&#8217;re in the business of information. We&#8217;re not selling washing powder or pepsi-cola. </p>
<p>Also, we have enough &#8216;information&#8217; coming back at us to correct ourselves, should we misinterpret social media mores, and we are nimble (read &#8216;small&#8217;) enough to learn from our mistakes (and successes).</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is whether any big-brand corporates have run any media campaigns with social networking at the core and whether they have been successful &#8211; real case studies for brands like Kit Kat to BHP?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Maxworthy</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8471</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Maxworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nigel - no link and agree with Graeme and comments above - it&#039;s not so much about the technology but the communication and connection. 

Aussie &quot;Superconnector&quot; Iggy Pintado has just written a good book on the subject - Connection Generation http://www.iggypintado.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nigel &#8211; no link and agree with Graeme and comments above &#8211; it&#8217;s not so much about the technology but the communication and connection. </p>
<p>Aussie &#8220;Superconnector&#8221; Iggy Pintado has just written a good book on the subject &#8211; Connection Generation <a href="http://www.iggypintado.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.iggypintado.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Malone</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how the focus of commentary has highlighted the value of LinkedIn - quite possibly because of its ability to bridge social and commercial networks. In terms of take-ups of various networks globally, a colleague sent me this site, which has some great google data geo-maps - worth a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how the focus of commentary has highlighted the value of LinkedIn &#8211; quite possibly because of its ability to bridge social and commercial networks. In terms of take-ups of various networks globally, a colleague sent me this site, which has some great google data geo-maps &#8211; worth a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how the comments have highlighted the value of LinkedIn - quite possibly as it bridges social and commercial networking. In terms of how different networks rate on a global level, a colleague sent me this site which has some really interesting geo-graphs...
http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/12/social-network-popularity-around-the-world/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how the comments have highlighted the value of LinkedIn &#8211; quite possibly as it bridges social and commercial networking. In terms of how different networks rate on a global level, a colleague sent me this site which has some really interesting geo-graphs&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/12/social-network-popularity-around-the-world/" rel="nofollow">http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/12/social-network-popularity-around-the-world/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Bowman</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8443</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the comment about Linkedin, which I must admit I am only starting to use properly. Linkedin is getting better, too, in that they now have quite a few apps that allow you to share presentations, blog posts, etc. For example, I just discovered today this app called Google Presentation, which has let me embed my demo videos on my Linkedin profile. Given that I&#039;m a Hoax Speaker, Corporate Comedian and Lateral Thinking Facilitator, this has been a great plus for me.

But I can see where you&#039;re coming from, Nigel, especially as far as the big corporates are concerned. For us small operators, the person and the brand are one and the same, but it&#039;s different for a big corporation, which by its very nature is quite impersonal.

Actually, I have a problem with the term, &#039;social media&#039;. I prefer to use &#039;online networking&#039;. Referring to Web 2.0 as social media is as crazy as defining the telephone as a social tool. It&#039;s just a piece of technology, and can equally be used for hard-nosed business as it can for &#039;social&#039; purposes.

Having said all of that, the greatest truth is this: we&#039;re all making it up as we go along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the comment about Linkedin, which I must admit I am only starting to use properly. Linkedin is getting better, too, in that they now have quite a few apps that allow you to share presentations, blog posts, etc. For example, I just discovered today this app called Google Presentation, which has let me embed my demo videos on my Linkedin profile. Given that I&#8217;m a Hoax Speaker, Corporate Comedian and Lateral Thinking Facilitator, this has been a great plus for me.</p>
<p>But I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, Nigel, especially as far as the big corporates are concerned. For us small operators, the person and the brand are one and the same, but it&#8217;s different for a big corporation, which by its very nature is quite impersonal.</p>
<p>Actually, I have a problem with the term, &#8216;social media&#8217;. I prefer to use &#8216;online networking&#8217;. Referring to Web 2.0 as social media is as crazy as defining the telephone as a social tool. It&#8217;s just a piece of technology, and can equally be used for hard-nosed business as it can for &#8216;social&#8217; purposes.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, the greatest truth is this: we&#8217;re all making it up as we go along.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Malone</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8442</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim, 
if you insist, I&#039;ll disagree with your anonymous reliable source :) or at least throw some due diligence at it:

“The top four social media services used by businesses are LinkedIn (79.3% use it), Facebook (77.2%), Twitter (75.3% ), and miscellaneous blogs (68%)”

Do these %&#039;s refer to concerted marketing campaigns by management (my line of discussion) and how successful were they, or do they include employees using them for their own social purposes (or to find another job) with a bit of &#039;networking&#039; thrown in on the side?

It&#039;s dead easy to interpret research anyway you want. I see it all the time with Government clients. What counts are the actual questions that were asked, to who and in what context. Be great to hear some more details on that if you have them, as they are certainly interesting statistics.

To me there is a massive difference between a Linkedin and a Twitter/Facebook - very different audience and tone.  There&#039;s things that you can do on Linkedin that would be very &#039;unsocial&#039; on Twitter - and vice versa. For example if you started to talk about your &#039;business model&#039; on FaceBook or Twitter you might lose a few friends/followers! 

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,<br />
if you insist, I&#8217;ll disagree with your anonymous reliable source <img src='http://anthillonline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  or at least throw some due diligence at it:</p>
<p>“The top four social media services used by businesses are LinkedIn (79.3% use it), Facebook (77.2%), Twitter (75.3% ), and miscellaneous blogs (68%)”</p>
<p>Do these %&#8217;s refer to concerted marketing campaigns by management (my line of discussion) and how successful were they, or do they include employees using them for their own social purposes (or to find another job) with a bit of &#8216;networking&#8217; thrown in on the side?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s dead easy to interpret research anyway you want. I see it all the time with Government clients. What counts are the actual questions that were asked, to who and in what context. Be great to hear some more details on that if you have them, as they are certainly interesting statistics.</p>
<p>To me there is a massive difference between a Linkedin and a Twitter/Facebook &#8211; very different audience and tone.  There&#8217;s things that you can do on Linkedin that would be very &#8216;unsocial&#8217; on Twitter &#8211; and vice versa. For example if you started to talk about your &#8216;business model&#8217; on FaceBook or Twitter you might lose a few friends/followers! </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Edwards</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8440</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel, thanks for your response although its much more fun to disagree. 

So here&#039;s the kicker. A source described as reliable and in the business of tracking social media made the following statement. 

&quot;The top four social media services used by businesses are LinkedIn (79.3% use it), Facebook (77.2%), Twitter (75.3% ), and miscellaneous blogs (68%)&quot; 

Whilst I have yet to have the experience it seems likely to me that the Asocial media users will  and have infiltrated the social media where they can use the tools they find there to their liking. 

The next big number, I have yet to find, is what proportion of business&#039;s use Asocial Media. What ever it is now it is most certainly growing. In the B2B space I believe it is going to get huge. I have a business model in mind for anyone that has the time and energy to address this gap.    

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, thanks for your response although its much more fun to disagree. </p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the kicker. A source described as reliable and in the business of tracking social media made the following statement. </p>
<p>&#8220;The top four social media services used by businesses are LinkedIn (79.3% use it), Facebook (77.2%), Twitter (75.3% ), and miscellaneous blogs (68%)&#8221; </p>
<p>Whilst I have yet to have the experience it seems likely to me that the Asocial media users will  and have infiltrated the social media where they can use the tools they find there to their liking. </p>
<p>The next big number, I have yet to find, is what proportion of business&#8217;s use Asocial Media. What ever it is now it is most certainly growing. In the B2B space I believe it is going to get huge. I have a business model in mind for anyone that has the time and energy to address this gap.    </p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Maxworthy</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8436</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Maxworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, enjoyed the article.  Seems there&#039;s so much BS surrounding social media - more snake oil salesmen then an old western. 

As you say, there&#039;s a very fine balance and sometimes corporate social marketing feels like a MLM steamrolling your drinks at the local pub.  

For corporate brands to engage in social media marketing they need to create personality, engage 1:1 and build trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, enjoyed the article.  Seems there&#8217;s so much BS surrounding social media &#8211; more snake oil salesmen then an old western. </p>
<p>As you say, there&#8217;s a very fine balance and sometimes corporate social marketing feels like a MLM steamrolling your drinks at the local pub.  </p>
<p>For corporate brands to engage in social media marketing they need to create personality, engage 1:1 and build trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Malone</title>
		<link>http://anthillonline.com/its-social-not-commercial-networking-for-f-sake/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim, I probably should have clarified my view on LinkedIn - I see it as a professional network, not a social network - and a very good professional network for all the reasons you mention, and in terms of corporate branding a fantastic tool. I am a big fan... http://www.linkedin.com/in/nigelmalone
All the best.
Nigel Malone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim, I probably should have clarified my view on LinkedIn &#8211; I see it as a professional network, not a social network &#8211; and a very good professional network for all the reasons you mention, and in terms of corporate branding a fantastic tool. I am a big fan&#8230; <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nigelmalone" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/in/nigelmalone</a><br />
All the best.<br />
Nigel Malone</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shall see Nigel !

My view is that you are wrong in this assessment. You did not refer to LinkedIn.  I see LinkedIn working for people in business, academia, government every day. 

I am a member of 45 Linkedin groups and only for business reasons - I have virtually no interest in these groups for their social value. The vast majority of the people in these groups are highly qualified professionals. I have found / learned a great deal that I would not have learned had I not been a member. 

LinkedIn is about people. Professionals of all kinds that are sharing ideas and thoughts where  geography is not a constraint.    

The jury is still out for my company but for me personally Linkedin has been invaluable. Perhaps we need another name - &quot;asocial media for people that think&quot;. 

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shall see Nigel !</p>
<p>My view is that you are wrong in this assessment. You did not refer to LinkedIn.  I see LinkedIn working for people in business, academia, government every day. </p>
<p>I am a member of 45 Linkedin groups and only for business reasons &#8211; I have virtually no interest in these groups for their social value. The vast majority of the people in these groups are highly qualified professionals. I have found / learned a great deal that I would not have learned had I not been a member. </p>
<p>LinkedIn is about people. Professionals of all kinds that are sharing ideas and thoughts where  geography is not a constraint.    </p>
<p>The jury is still out for my company but for me personally Linkedin has been invaluable. Perhaps we need another name &#8211; &#8220;asocial media for people that think&#8221;. </p>
<p>Tim</p>
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